Dear Devs: Let's not make it the last goodbye? in Early Access Discussion Posted Friday at 08:23 AM 30 minutes ago, Rehtael said: I have to question how much of my comment you actually read, or if you were just reading what you wanted to read. Not all games are temporary. I loved Dungeon Siege from back when I was a kid, and as an adult am still able to return to said game. It's not a live service tied to a central server, I'm always going to be able to go back to it. I enjoyed my time with Survived By and its development process, and now that experience has come and gone, but it would be foolish to think that all things are this way. There is no reason to get snippy. I'm sorry that it's somehow confusing to you but I read what you were saying just fine. This isn't what I wanted the end of my gaming time to be like here. And yet it's foolish to think any *online game* is going to still be there to play in the future. These games end. It's about value for the time being played. Going back and playing an emulated version of the game has nothing to do with anything, it is neither here nor there. Let me try to say a do-over to what I was saying and see if that helps. Before I talk about my original reply, what I was saying was this: The vast majority of us also only have time to play games one time, so that time is temporary, no matter if the games still exist or not. For *most of us* the games are a brief thing we enjoy and then move on to something else. We're getting value for our time. Yet that reply wasn't to you or about anything you said. You made a reply as if I was speaking to you. My original reply was to Trash Panda,. It was in direct reply to a statement he was making. I wasn't replying to you. I wasn't saying "all games end get used to it." to you. I was replying to the statement that Trash Panda made that said people are stupid to spend money on games that end. It had nothing to do with anything you were saying. And that's still what I'm talking about, value for money in games that end, people not being stupid for spending money on online games that go away. You act as if I was speaking to you for some reason. To clarify what I was saying to *him* - I wasn't saying they shouldn't be doing refunds. Refunds for money spent recenty or over certain amounts definitely is something most companies should do (the majority of "AAA" companies that have closed games have never given me refunds no matter how short of a time the game was up and it would have been nice if they did). I'm just saying that there is value in time played. I'm saying that people like Trash Panda who jump in and say "hahahahahha you dumb blippty blop you spent money on a game that's closing hahahahahaha" don't have that valid of a point because there is value in game play time. This game was always going to close eventually. Yes, we all would have wanted it to stay up as long as possible, but nearly every online game is going to go down eventually so it's about time value for the money and what that entertainment is worth to someone. Definitely there are recent charges and high charges that should be refunded, but even if they weren't there is still value for time played in games and I enjoyed my time playing here. Trash Panda doesn't have a point either way because there are refunds happening here, and I didn't mean to sound like I thought that shouldn't happen, but I just mean all games are temporary for the most part and so we get value out of spending money in them even if they aren't around anymore. What that value is, how much it is worth to you, that is up to each person and can and will be different for each individual. They are right to be doing refunds here, but there is also a value in the time played even if a game closes. It's about having fun in the moment, sometimes remembering that fun into the future, but it's about that current enjoyment. It's not about it being there forever. Although yes, I would have liked if this game was here forever. There are limits and amounts that all come into play but it's not a blanket statement that someone is dumb for spending money in a game that is closing. If I had only spent up to say $20 here, I wouldn't care if it was being returned or not. I had fun while it lasted so I would have got value out of that amount of money anyway, for instance.